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August 17, 2007

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Amodini

I remember seeing "Swami" as a kid, on DoorDarshan, and even now I remember it as an extremely well-made and engrossing film. Yes, the end doesn't solve any "intellectual" problems - seemed to suggest that a woman's mind came second to "homeliness". However, I take comfort in the fact, that Ghanshyam's character in the film, although not an outright feminist, is of a fair and just man, and will (supposedly) support Mini in any intellectual endeavor that she might undertake.

carla

Amodini, do you think it's possible that Mini's sadness in the film's bookend scenes is meant to be entirely subsversive? That is, she has done the dutiful thing, but she's miserable? A film that wanted to make the pro-traditional, pro-homeliness point might show her being happy and relieved that her ordeal is over; instead, *Swami* shows her misery precisely because she knows what has been taken from her. I feel I want to watch those scenes again and see if this interpretation is not just wishful thinking on my part.

Maajhi

Carla, such a die-hard movie buff that you are, where do you review non-Indian movies? I can't find them, and I'm quite curious to know your thoughts on European movies like Volver and Lives of Others.

carla

Maajhi, believe it or not, I was only a casual viewer of movies before Hindi films found me. I have commented occasionally (very occasionally) on movies on my first blog, Geek of All Trades (link in the left sidebar, somewhere) but I never got systematic about it until I'd become obsessive about Hindi movies. And I'm still not so when it comes to movies other than Hindi movies. Weird, huh?

I've seen *The Lives of Others* and felt like I needed a shower afterwards, it was a very good movie but very manipulative and not in a pleasant way. The more I thought about it and talked it over with my husband, who thought it was simply fantastic, the more angry and disgusted I became. But the details have since escaped me - or been blotted out of my mind. I never saw *Volver*.

Maajhi

Volver is recommended. I wish they make a Hindi movie based on the story - with proper credits to Almodovar of course.

About obsession with movies: Really, what distinguishes Hindi movies from other ones that you can obsess over them and not others? Should be interesting to mull over. Is it that they are star-driven? Is it that ever director has a particular style? Is it the epic nature of (most) stories? Is it the songs? Is it that you can identify with the conditions of the characters?

To be honest, that's the case for me as well, but I always put it down to the fact that I was Indian, and so obviously experienced Indian movies in a very personal way, like I was experiencing them with the characters rather than just a story I was watching. I like it when movies take the audience along with them, quietly drawing them in to experience the story with them, rather than just a 'this happened, then this happened' kind of style. This is also why I used to enjoy my grandma's stories - because I felt like I was in them, part of that world.

Lee

I just watched Swami a couple of weeks ago and had the same reaction as you did Carla. I agree that the sadness expressed by Mini at the beginning and end was a subtle but cynical comment on marriage. Mini herself foreshadows her own predicament when she argues with Naren about marriage and whether one can truly be independent. She says that marriage is a bond which restricts independence and that this bond is good for society. So what may be good for society can sometimes require great sacrifice on the part of the individual. As you say, she has done her duty, but is miserable for it.

It's interesting that Mini's Mother never saw Naren as a suitor, whereas Mini's in-laws comment he is a very attractive catch. Guess the plot wouldn't have adanced otherwise!

Also, thanks for describing the Dharmendra/Hema Malini song. Unfortunately, so many hindi films with english subtitles do not subtitle the songs and so I am only left guessing their meaning! The subtitles also stopped in the final scenes of the film, so I wasn't sure what Mini is saying when she returns to her husband's house. I presume something similar to what she says at the beginning?

carla

Lee, I don't think she says anything at the end different from what was said at the beginning.

I'm very intrigued by the subtlety and cynicism that's coming to the surface the more I think about this film, and now I want to watch it again.

With respect to Naren, I think Ganshyam's family is of a higher social stratum than Mini's. Naren is Mini's zamindar - the landowner in her own village - that's a match that Mini's mother would never have realistically considered (we are not told what Naren's father thought of it but it's a safe guess he would not have approved). Ganshyam, being a businessman and a widower, might fall on the social scale somewhere between Mini and Naren - his sister could be "good enough" for Naren even Mini were not.

carla

Maajhi, I wrote a long response to your question of why Hindi films, and then I hit some wrong key combination and it vanished. I'll reconstruct it some other time, most likely as a post on my catch-all blog Geek of All Trades. It's a subject I've given a lot of thought to and I want to do it justice.

Maajhi

Cool, should make for interesting reading.

I saw Das Leben der Anderen tonight and it was subtle yet moving. Well deserves all the accolades, I say.

yves

Hello Carla and Maajhi,

Most interesting, this question of "why Indian films", as opposed to other ones. I believe I had tried to ask (and answer) that same question in that entry: http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-6570236.html
What do you think?
cheers,
yves

Maajhi

Yves, you capture it very well. I wrote a comment on your page saying much the same, and expounding on my own ideas of why these movies differ; hope you got it cuz I couldn't see it on the site :). Tu écris en français aussi ou quoi?

infas

i want to buy this film.if any one know how to buy pls help me.contact infas@live.com

carla

Hello infas, I don't know where you are located but if you have a look at this post and its comments you might get some leads:
http://www.filmigeek.net/2007/08/filmi-geeks-sho.html
I got *Swami* from Nehaflix; it should still be available there.

Shama

If my memory serves me correctly, Saratchandra's novel (on which the film is based) ends with Mini going to her lover. There was some discussion when the movie was released as to the more conservative ending of the film as opposed to the novel which presumably debuted in a more conservative time.

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